Comments on: FISA Surveillance Can Target Non-Spies http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2006/08/fisa_surveillance_can_target_n.html Secrecy News from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:03:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Cecil Roper http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2006/08/fisa_surveillance_can_target_n.html/comment-page-1#comment-634 Cecil Roper Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:12:25 +0000 http://fasweb.beacontec.com/blog/secrecy/2006/08/fisa_surveillance_can_target_non-spies.html#comment-634 Does this ruling now apply to reporters of the media?? <i>[Not explicitly, no. And not unless they are engaged in a probable violation of the Espionage Act. But the application of the Espionage Act has been expanded by this Court. And the latest ruling seems to open a door that had not been opened before. --SA]</i> Does this ruling now apply to reporters of the media??

[Not explicitly, no. And not unless they are engaged in a probable violation of the Espionage Act. But the application of the Espionage Act has been expanded by this Court. And the latest ruling seems to open a door that had not been opened before. --SA]

]]> By: keeley http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2006/08/fisa_surveillance_can_target_n.html/comment-page-1#comment-633 keeley Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:33:14 +0000 http://fasweb.beacontec.com/blog/secrecy/2006/08/fisa_surveillance_can_target_non-spies.html#comment-633 We also linked this post. Below is my reaction to your report... Now can we please have the discussion about the current administration’s use of the NSA wiretapping to not only spy on the press and political operatives, but… ready… also on their own supporters. Much of what has come out is almost run-of-the-mill at this point, the clincher will be the revelation that the White House via the NSA has been spying on their presumed allies at DC/international law firms, telecom cos, etc. That, I think, is the only reason they wouldn’t have gotten FISA approval before, during, or even after the wiretapping had been conducted. Allies of the administration could presumably keep a secret, but in this situation it seems even the allies were intentionally kept in the dark. ‘06 congress swings; ‘07 investigations and indictments; ‘08 Dem candidate brings an oversized box of band-aids, a dozen flowers, and gets down on one knee to say I’m sorry to the international community. That is not weak, that is taking responsibility for an administration that will refuse to until their very last breath. We have been on the attack since Sept 11, 2001 and it seems much of the rest of the world has been doing out police work to route future acts of terrorism. Diplomacy, however, has gone eons backwards. Saying sorry is a humbling experience, but Iranian and North Korean leaders wouldn’t take that as any sign of weakness. If anything it would stregthen our standing in the international community and bring more force to our side. We also linked this post. Below is my reaction to your report…

Now can we please have the discussion about the current administration’s use of the NSA wiretapping to not only spy on the press and political operatives, but… ready… also on their own supporters. Much of what has come out is almost run-of-the-mill at this point, the clincher will be the revelation that the White House via the NSA has been spying on their presumed allies at DC/international law firms, telecom cos, etc. That, I think, is the only reason they wouldn’t have gotten FISA approval before, during, or even after the wiretapping had been conducted. Allies of the administration could presumably keep a secret, but in this situation it seems even the allies were intentionally kept in the dark.

‘06 congress swings; ‘07 investigations and indictments; ‘08 Dem candidate brings an oversized box of band-aids, a dozen flowers, and gets down on one knee to say I’m sorry to the international community. That is not weak, that is taking responsibility for an administration that will refuse to until their very last breath.

We have been on the attack since Sept 11, 2001 and it seems much of the rest of the world has been doing out police work to route future acts of terrorism. Diplomacy, however, has gone eons backwards. Saying sorry is a humbling experience, but Iranian and North Korean leaders wouldn’t take that as any sign of weakness. If anything it would stregthen our standing in the international community and bring more force to our side.

]]> By: ShadowMonkey http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2006/08/fisa_surveillance_can_target_n.html/comment-page-1#comment-632 ShadowMonkey Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:05:52 +0000 http://fasweb.beacontec.com/blog/secrecy/2006/08/fisa_surveillance_can_target_non-spies.html#comment-632 Our thanks, again, Steven, for bringing this story to light. This new interpretation of FISA is pretty disturbing, and seems a clear case of a judicial ruling made with the idea that this is what the Act _should_ cover, instead of what it actually _does_ cover as passed by Congress. We've put a blurb once again on <a href="http://www.shadowmonkey.net" rel="nofollow">ShadowMonkey.net</a> pointing to your story to help get some exposure for your fine reporting. Our thanks, again, Steven, for bringing this story to light.

This new interpretation of FISA is pretty disturbing, and seems a clear case of a judicial ruling made with the idea that this is what the Act _should_ cover, instead of what it actually _does_ cover as passed by Congress.

We’ve put a blurb once again on ShadowMonkey.net pointing to your story to help get some exposure for your fine reporting.

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