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		<title>By: a.k.a.</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2009/07/covert_action.html/comment-page-1#comment-3972</link>
		<dc:creator>a.k.a.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to correct myself:

&quot;A blanket policy of nondisclosure&quot; is not what exists.  I misspoke.  Rather, I mean to say the widespread conviction that disclosing to lawmakers is bad for operations.

The compromise would be for the Obama Administration to drop its veto in exchange for a requirement that Congress subject its members and staff to stricter criminal enforcement if they leak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to correct myself:</p>
<p>&#8220;A blanket policy of nondisclosure&#8221; is not what exists.  I misspoke.  Rather, I mean to say the widespread conviction that disclosing to lawmakers is bad for operations.</p>
<p>The compromise would be for the Obama Administration to drop its veto in exchange for a requirement that Congress subject its members and staff to stricter criminal enforcement if they leak.</p>
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		<title>By: a.k.a.</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2009/07/covert_action.html/comment-page-1#comment-3971</link>
		<dc:creator>a.k.a.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel,

I think what you are saying is exceedingly helpful and astute, but in the end still has an element of wishful thinking.

When a current intelligence official says that this was a &quot;sensitive&quot; program that &quot;should have been briefed to Congress,&quot; one has to question the logic of the incentives as you have laid them out.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/09/AR2009070903017_2.html?hpid=topnews

The IC is heavily compartmentalized, and that easily lends itself to groupthink.

Think of the IC as AIG.  Would you have wanted to know the extent of toxic CDS exposure that AIG had taken on before the government was required to step in and bail it out, to the tune of $180 bn, and soon $190 bn more (going by their latest SEC filing)?  Yes.  Did AIG have any internal controls in place that made it likely the institution would call a spade a spade?  No.

Ask any analyst of white collar crime or institutional corruption (not implying, just analogizing) will say that the primary enemy of institutional integrity is unexamined discretion.  The more opaque an operation is, the more discretion it has built in.

Also, it strikes me as odd that one would favor members of the IC breaking their own code of silence -- and breaking the law -- over a legal process of informing the lawmakers of the country about sensitive activities -- particularly if lawmakers are briefed only on the outlines of a program, not the operationally insecure details.

If this is such a sensitive matter, the appropriate remedy is to notify the Gang of Eight in a &quot;timely&quot; way, and delay on notification of the remainder of the committee until operational security has lessened.  A blanket policy of nondisclosure is what gets the IC into trouble to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,</p>
<p>I think what you are saying is exceedingly helpful and astute, but in the end still has an element of wishful thinking.</p>
<p>When a current intelligence official says that this was a &#8220;sensitive&#8221; program that &#8220;should have been briefed to Congress,&#8221; one has to question the logic of the incentives as you have laid them out.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/09/AR2009070903017_2.html?hpid=topnews" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/09/AR2009070903017_2.html?hpid=topnews</a></p>
<p>The IC is heavily compartmentalized, and that easily lends itself to groupthink.</p>
<p>Think of the IC as AIG.  Would you have wanted to know the extent of toxic CDS exposure that AIG had taken on before the government was required to step in and bail it out, to the tune of $180 bn, and soon $190 bn more (going by their latest SEC filing)?  Yes.  Did AIG have any internal controls in place that made it likely the institution would call a spade a spade?  No.</p>
<p>Ask any analyst of white collar crime or institutional corruption (not implying, just analogizing) will say that the primary enemy of institutional integrity is unexamined discretion.  The more opaque an operation is, the more discretion it has built in.</p>
<p>Also, it strikes me as odd that one would favor members of the IC breaking their own code of silence &#8212; and breaking the law &#8212; over a legal process of informing the lawmakers of the country about sensitive activities &#8212; particularly if lawmakers are briefed only on the outlines of a program, not the operationally insecure details.</p>
<p>If this is such a sensitive matter, the appropriate remedy is to notify the Gang of Eight in a &#8220;timely&#8221; way, and delay on notification of the remainder of the committee until operational security has lessened.  A blanket policy of nondisclosure is what gets the IC into trouble to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2009/07/covert_action.html/comment-page-1#comment-3968</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michele, I think you were being serious, so feel free to mock me if I misjudged.

&quot;Select Intelligence Committee members would be briefed on the existence of the special access programs, not the details. Are we worried they will talk to the press?&quot;

Every person who&#039;s given sensitive information is automatically a threat to security under the right circumstances. For some (such as the DCIA), that threat is minimal. He&#039;s had a mindblowingly thorough background check followed by years proving his trustworthiness (you don&#039;t last long in the CIA if you&#039;re proven untrustworthy). However, I&#039;m not convinced that the screening for committee members would be sufficient to maintain the quality with which the CIA guards its information.

&quot;If the programs are wrong and illegal, isn’t it their responsibility to object? Where are the checks and balances?... How can we as a nation be assured that special access classifications or any other classification will not be used to hide wrong doing?&quot;

Yes. However, the CIA is not a governing body. The checks and balances apply to the executive, legislative, and judicial branches. The CIA may become corrupt, but it&#039;s the job of internal whistleblowers to point that out, just as they out double agents when they&#039;re caught. Adding a committee isn&#039;t going to be that impressive in added integrity.

In short, the men and women serving in the CIA have the highest level of integrity. If we can&#039;t trust them to be self-monitoring, we may as well give up now. The exact same allegations of wrong-doing and cover-up could be applied to a CIA with a committee as a CIA without one. By putting in a committee, we short-circuit the chain of command to the executive branch.

As the video at http://www.newsy.com/videos/congress_dems_take_on_cia suggested, there&#039;s a &quot;possibility that the Democrats are exaggerating the issue for political gain.&quot; That&#039;s not to say they definitely are, but I think it&#039;d be an interesting video for you to see anyway. They also say &quot;it’s an important battle about transparency that the Democrats SHOULD fight.&quot;

So I think it would be an interesting video for you to see and get some more perspectives on the issue, even if it leads you to the exact same conclusion you went in with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michele, I think you were being serious, so feel free to mock me if I misjudged.</p>
<p>&#8220;Select Intelligence Committee members would be briefed on the existence of the special access programs, not the details. Are we worried they will talk to the press?&#8221;</p>
<p>Every person who&#8217;s given sensitive information is automatically a threat to security under the right circumstances. For some (such as the DCIA), that threat is minimal. He&#8217;s had a mindblowingly thorough background check followed by years proving his trustworthiness (you don&#8217;t last long in the CIA if you&#8217;re proven untrustworthy). However, I&#8217;m not convinced that the screening for committee members would be sufficient to maintain the quality with which the CIA guards its information.</p>
<p>&#8220;If the programs are wrong and illegal, isn’t it their responsibility to object? Where are the checks and balances?&#8230; How can we as a nation be assured that special access classifications or any other classification will not be used to hide wrong doing?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. However, the CIA is not a governing body. The checks and balances apply to the executive, legislative, and judicial branches. The CIA may become corrupt, but it&#8217;s the job of internal whistleblowers to point that out, just as they out double agents when they&#8217;re caught. Adding a committee isn&#8217;t going to be that impressive in added integrity.</p>
<p>In short, the men and women serving in the CIA have the highest level of integrity. If we can&#8217;t trust them to be self-monitoring, we may as well give up now. The exact same allegations of wrong-doing and cover-up could be applied to a CIA with a committee as a CIA without one. By putting in a committee, we short-circuit the chain of command to the executive branch.</p>
<p>As the video at <a href="http://www.newsy.com/videos/congress_dems_take_on_cia" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsy.com/videos/congress_dems_take_on_cia</a> suggested, there&#8217;s a &#8220;possibility that the Democrats are exaggerating the issue for political gain.&#8221; That&#8217;s not to say they definitely are, but I think it&#8217;d be an interesting video for you to see anyway. They also say &#8220;it’s an important battle about transparency that the Democrats SHOULD fight.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I think it would be an interesting video for you to see and get some more perspectives on the issue, even if it leads you to the exact same conclusion you went in with.</p>
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		<title>By: MicheleMoore-Happy1</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2009/07/covert_action.html/comment-page-1#comment-3965</link>
		<dc:creator>MicheleMoore-Happy1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve - What are we truly worried about, what risks are we trying to protect?

Select Intelligence Committee members would be briefed on the existence of the special access programs, not the details.  Are we worried they will talk to the press?  If the programs are wrong and illegal, isn&#039;t it their responsibility to object?  Where are the checks and balances?  Is the current Gang of Eight process just meant to be a rubber stamp?  Aren&#039;t we trying to protect our nation from dangers within as well as from the outside?  How can we as a nation be assured that special access classifications or any other classification will not be used to hide wrong doing?  

Isn&#039;t that our BIG worry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211; What are we truly worried about, what risks are we trying to protect?</p>
<p>Select Intelligence Committee members would be briefed on the existence of the special access programs, not the details.  Are we worried they will talk to the press?  If the programs are wrong and illegal, isn&#8217;t it their responsibility to object?  Where are the checks and balances?  Is the current Gang of Eight process just meant to be a rubber stamp?  Aren&#8217;t we trying to protect our nation from dangers within as well as from the outside?  How can we as a nation be assured that special access classifications or any other classification will not be used to hide wrong doing?  </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that our BIG worry?</p>
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		<title>By: With the C.I.A., Is Congress in the Loop? - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2009/07/covert_action.html/comment-page-1#comment-3964</link>
		<dc:creator>With the C.I.A., Is Congress in the Loop? - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the &#8220;decades of comity,&#8221; Secrecy News points to &#8220;a new report from the Congressional Research Service,&#8221; which says that the arrangement is not that old, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for the &#8220;decades of comity,&#8221; Secrecy News points to &#8220;a new report from the Congressional Research Service,&#8221; which says that the arrangement is not that old, [...]</p>
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