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	<title>Comments on: Nuclear Safety and the Saga About the Missing Bent Spear</title>
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		<title>By: HMB</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2008/02/nuclear_safety_and_the_saga_ab.php/comment-page-1#comment-1480</link>
		<dc:creator>HMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BTW, here is a link to the show I was talking about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;http://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/BC/broken_arrow.htm&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;HMB&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, here is a link to the show I was talking about.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/BC/broken_arrow.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/BC/broken_arrow.htm</a></p>
<p>HMB</p>
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		<title>By: HMB</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2008/02/nuclear_safety_and_the_saga_ab.php/comment-page-1#comment-1479</link>
		<dc:creator>HMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[Edited] I watched a show recently on History in which is described the United States first Broken Arrow and its awful attempt to cover up the incident. In so far as going to black list the pilot, who by the documents show, was a hero by saving the gadget from blowing up in upper British Columbia. Pretty good show.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Point being, as the war games with nuclear weapons, or even internal practice maneuvers with live weapons will always pose a danger. There is no room for error obviously with a thermo nuclear weapon..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When JF Cooper states in one his remarks &quot; Any global reduction in nuclear weapons must occur not only in the realm of multinational arms control &quot; I have to laugh smugly at least a little. In 2007, the United Nations made 20 proposals against the proliferation, use and testing of nuclear weapons. Guess which country had the perfect &#039; No &#039; to each proposal, thus stopping any chance that a multi national arms control agreement might even have a breath of chance to start. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s hoping on all accounts :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;HMB&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Edited] I watched a show recently on History in which is described the United States first Broken Arrow and its awful attempt to cover up the incident. In so far as going to black list the pilot, who by the documents show, was a hero by saving the gadget from blowing up in upper British Columbia. Pretty good show.</p>
<p>Point being, as the war games with nuclear weapons, or even internal practice maneuvers with live weapons will always pose a danger. There is no room for error obviously with a thermo nuclear weapon..</p>
<p>When JF Cooper states in one his remarks &#8221; Any global reduction in nuclear weapons must occur not only in the realm of multinational arms control &#8221; I have to laugh smugly at least a little. In 2007, the United Nations made 20 proposals against the proliferation, use and testing of nuclear weapons. Guess which country had the perfect &#8216; No &#8216; to each proposal, thus stopping any chance that a multi national arms control agreement might even have a breath of chance to start. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping on all accounts <img src='http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>HMB</p>
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		<title>By: JF Cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2008/02/nuclear_safety_and_the_saga_ab.php/comment-page-1#comment-1476</link>
		<dc:creator>JF Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jonathan,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your argument against nuclear weapons is a moral one and in truth has little place in international power politics. Nuclear weapons, when detonated, could kill millions from both the initial and secondary effects. Nevertheless, they remain the ultimate guarantor of national sovereignty. The United States could rid itself of its weapons tomorrow and not one other state would follow.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The first and second Iraq wars have proved that if you do not have a nuclear weapon, you are vulnerable to the US&#039; conventional superiority. Hence, the push by Pakistan, North Korea, and Iran to have them. The same goes for Russia and China...why improve/expand their arsenals? US conventional superiority. Any global reduction in nuclear weapons must occur not only in the realm of multinational arms control, but also conventional weapons reductions as well.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>Your argument against nuclear weapons is a moral one and in truth has little place in international power politics. Nuclear weapons, when detonated, could kill millions from both the initial and secondary effects. Nevertheless, they remain the ultimate guarantor of national sovereignty. The United States could rid itself of its weapons tomorrow and not one other state would follow.</p>
<p>The first and second Iraq wars have proved that if you do not have a nuclear weapon, you are vulnerable to the US&#8217; conventional superiority. Hence, the push by Pakistan, North Korea, and Iran to have them. The same goes for Russia and China&#8230;why improve/expand their arsenals? US conventional superiority. Any global reduction in nuclear weapons must occur not only in the realm of multinational arms control, but also conventional weapons reductions as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathon M. DeNike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathon M. DeNike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 04:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, gee, the Russians are once again flying their aging Tu-95 Bear strategic bomber force - I heard a wonderful story on the BBC the other night from a correspondent who was allowed inside their main base.  He did say their equipment was rather &quot;ancient&quot;...So, why should our old B-52 flyboys be any different with regards to Cold War nostalgia?  Ah, the good old days...Let&#039;s go blow up the world!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seriously, folks, does the nuclear mission ever really have any relevance to the real world?  Weapons which would invite universal condemnation if ever used under any circumstances, not to mention wreaking unimaginable destruction if ever used in quantity?  And what&#039;s so exciting and sexy about practicing to deliver a genuine weapon of mass destruction which will cause guaranteed casualties in the thousands at least from fallout? (Try to find a region of the world where we would want to use nuclear weapons that does not have large vulnerable civilian populations downwind.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The true madness of nuclear weapons will never truly occur to the nuclear weapons establishment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shall I dust off my copy of Dr. Strangelove?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, gee, the Russians are once again flying their aging Tu-95 Bear strategic bomber force &#8211; I heard a wonderful story on the BBC the other night from a correspondent who was allowed inside their main base.  He did say their equipment was rather &#8220;ancient&#8221;&#8230;So, why should our old B-52 flyboys be any different with regards to Cold War nostalgia?  Ah, the good old days&#8230;Let&#8217;s go blow up the world!</p>
<p>Seriously, folks, does the nuclear mission ever really have any relevance to the real world?  Weapons which would invite universal condemnation if ever used under any circumstances, not to mention wreaking unimaginable destruction if ever used in quantity?  And what&#8217;s so exciting and sexy about practicing to deliver a genuine weapon of mass destruction which will cause guaranteed casualties in the thousands at least from fallout? (Try to find a region of the world where we would want to use nuclear weapons that does not have large vulnerable civilian populations downwind.)</p>
<p>The true madness of nuclear weapons will never truly occur to the nuclear weapons establishment.</p>
<p>Shall I dust off my copy of Dr. Strangelove?</p>
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		<title>By: JF Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>JF Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While getting rid of nuclear capability is a noble cause, it would be hasty to do away with America’s bomber capability.  Of all the triad, it is the only one with recall capability.  

I also think that you misjudge the report from the Defense Science Board.  I do not think that a return to alerts would necessarily be a step backward.  The fact of the matter is that the BENT SPEAR occurred because of a lack of training and operational emphasis for the nuclear mission.  If the US wants to keep the ability to launch nuclear weapons from aircraft and maintain the recall capability, then it makes sense for the military to place emphasis on that.

The broader question is that of nuclear weapon utility.  As long as China and Russia maintain arsenals, then the US is unlikely to give them up.  Nuclear disarmament should occur within the context of the major nuclear powers and should not be a unilateral move by any of them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While getting rid of nuclear capability is a noble cause, it would be hasty to do away with America’s bomber capability.  Of all the triad, it is the only one with recall capability.  </p>
<p>I also think that you misjudge the report from the Defense Science Board.  I do not think that a return to alerts would necessarily be a step backward.  The fact of the matter is that the BENT SPEAR occurred because of a lack of training and operational emphasis for the nuclear mission.  If the US wants to keep the ability to launch nuclear weapons from aircraft and maintain the recall capability, then it makes sense for the military to place emphasis on that.</p>
<p>The broader question is that of nuclear weapon utility.  As long as China and Russia maintain arsenals, then the US is unlikely to give them up.  Nuclear disarmament should occur within the context of the major nuclear powers and should not be a unilateral move by any of them</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Kane</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2008/02/nuclear_safety_and_the_saga_ab.php/comment-page-1#comment-747</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;National policymakers have decided to maintain the airborne leg of the nuclear triad; the Blue Ribbon Review and the Defense Science Board were tasked with investigating the Bent Spear incident, and making recommendations to prevent similar incidents in the future. Given this assignment, to recommend abolishing the air leg would have been: (1) reverse logic, since the premise of both studies was the maintenance of the nuclear bomber capability; (2) completely unhelpful for determining how to prevent such incidents in the future; (3) vastly outside of the mandate granted to the studies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are using arguments about nuclear safety and security to make the point that the airborne component of the deterrent should be shut down. However, such a decision would ultimately be a strategic and political one, and those are the types of arguments you need to use if you want to support such a position, not the organizational and bureaucratic ones you use here. Clichés about “the real world” and “thinking outside the box” are not good enough.  No disrespect to you or your organization, but one of the things that troubles me about FAS is the frequency with which it lapses into convoluted bureaucratic rationales to support positions that are fundamentally political and strategic in nature. The bureaucracy (in this case, the Air Force) ultimately exists to execute the mission assigned it by the political authorities. I have no doubt that you are able to argue persuasively in favor of shutting down the airborne component (or even more, for that matter), but I would ask that you use the appropriate rationale for making that type of argument.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>National policymakers have decided to maintain the airborne leg of the nuclear triad; the Blue Ribbon Review and the Defense Science Board were tasked with investigating the Bent Spear incident, and making recommendations to prevent similar incidents in the future. Given this assignment, to recommend abolishing the air leg would have been: (1) reverse logic, since the premise of both studies was the maintenance of the nuclear bomber capability; (2) completely unhelpful for determining how to prevent such incidents in the future; (3) vastly outside of the mandate granted to the studies.</p>
<p>You are using arguments about nuclear safety and security to make the point that the airborne component of the deterrent should be shut down. However, such a decision would ultimately be a strategic and political one, and those are the types of arguments you need to use if you want to support such a position, not the organizational and bureaucratic ones you use here. Clichés about “the real world” and “thinking outside the box” are not good enough.  No disrespect to you or your organization, but one of the things that troubles me about FAS is the frequency with which it lapses into convoluted bureaucratic rationales to support positions that are fundamentally political and strategic in nature. The bureaucracy (in this case, the Air Force) ultimately exists to execute the mission assigned it by the political authorities. I have no doubt that you are able to argue persuasively in favor of shutting down the airborne component (or even more, for that matter), but I would ask that you use the appropriate rationale for making that type of argument.</p>
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