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	<title>Comments on: U.S. Nuclear Weapons Withdrawn From the United Kingdom</title>
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		<title>By: Wolfcry044</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolfcry044</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 04:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good, we don&#039;t need nukes there anyway. They should stay in the U.S with the capability to launch to anywhere in the world. We don&#039;t need them over there in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good, we don&#8217;t need nukes there anyway. They should stay in the U.S with the capability to launch to anywhere in the world. We don&#8217;t need them over there in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon Moulton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon Moulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nuclear weapons in the UK are part of the UK’s role in NATO alliance. The Alliance is actually undergoing a stage of restructuring, and there has been some good and innovative thinking on both sides of the Atlantic – see the recent Atlantic Council &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.irri-kiib.be/papers/10/sec-gov/1002-ACUS_Partnership-Hunter-Biscop.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NATO Strategic Concept review&lt;/a&gt; by the Strategic Advisors Group that includes the Atlantic Council’s Board of Directors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuclear weapons in the UK are part of the UK’s role in NATO alliance. The Alliance is actually undergoing a stage of restructuring, and there has been some good and innovative thinking on both sides of the Atlantic – see the recent Atlantic Council <a target="_blank" href="http://www.irri-kiib.be/papers/10/sec-gov/1002-ACUS_Partnership-Hunter-Biscop.pdf" rel="nofollow">NATO Strategic Concept review</a> by the Strategic Advisors Group that includes the Atlantic Council’s Board of Directors.</p>
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		<title>By: Omen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it by chance, that nukes where removed from instable countries - years before the instability came ? Or ...

&lt;b&gt;Reply: &lt;/b&gt;Yes, entirely by chance. If you&#039;re referring to the withdrawal from Araxos Air Base in Greece in 2001, the weapons were removed because Greece didn&#039;t want to pay to equip its next generation aircraft with nuclear capability to carry them, although the official reason was poor overall security at the base. The withdrawal from the UK happened because the weapons were not needed on NATO&#039;s northern flank and RAF Lakenheath had to focus on the conventional mission. HK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it by chance, that nukes where removed from instable countries &#8211; years before the instability came ? Or &#8230;</p>
<p><b>Reply: </b>Yes, entirely by chance. If you&#8217;re referring to the withdrawal from Araxos Air Base in Greece in 2001, the weapons were removed because Greece didn&#8217;t want to pay to equip its next generation aircraft with nuclear capability to carry them, although the official reason was poor overall security at the base. The withdrawal from the UK happened because the weapons were not needed on NATO&#8217;s northern flank and RAF Lakenheath had to focus on the conventional mission. HK</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HK -- thanks for the response.  But I wonder if European concern that the US is going to &quot;leave&quot; Europe is a big part of the concern.  It is true that there are other forces and relations.  But as the US becomes more Latino and Asian and the history of European immigration becomes a distant memory, I think the US will look to the south and the Pacific, not the Atlantic.  And once US forces leave Europe, I doubt they will ever go back there again.

For Europeans, that cannot be a good result, as that means they will have to spend more on their security.  

For one, I think it is time we removed the last of our troops there -- given that the USSR is no more.  I do not see Russia as a threat to the United States, unless we make her one.  NATO policy made sense in that the USSR was a threat to the US.  It was, however, primarily an ideological trheat, so it made sense to say to Europe we have so many troops here that if the Soviets attack, we are in it from the begining,  I have trouble seeing that relevant today.

Then again, I am not in our foreign policy decision making group, so I guess my views are not really counted by anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HK &#8212; thanks for the response.  But I wonder if European concern that the US is going to &#8220;leave&#8221; Europe is a big part of the concern.  It is true that there are other forces and relations.  But as the US becomes more Latino and Asian and the history of European immigration becomes a distant memory, I think the US will look to the south and the Pacific, not the Atlantic.  And once US forces leave Europe, I doubt they will ever go back there again.</p>
<p>For Europeans, that cannot be a good result, as that means they will have to spend more on their security.  </p>
<p>For one, I think it is time we removed the last of our troops there &#8212; given that the USSR is no more.  I do not see Russia as a threat to the United States, unless we make her one.  NATO policy made sense in that the USSR was a threat to the US.  It was, however, primarily an ideological trheat, so it made sense to say to Europe we have so many troops here that if the Soviets attack, we are in it from the begining,  I have trouble seeing that relevant today.</p>
<p>Then again, I am not in our foreign policy decision making group, so I guess my views are not really counted by anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if part of the reason the removal has been kept quiet is concern that the U.S. is leaving Europe.  (Personally, I think NATO has served its purpose and we should close all our bases there, but that is another issue).

&lt;b&gt;Reply: &lt;/b&gt;That is an argument NATO uses officially. But it is not a very good one. It might have been valid immediately after the massive pullout of nuclear weapons in 1992-1993. But today there&#039;s no real doubt about the U.S. commitment that other forces/relations adequately convey. Rather than recycled arguments from the Cold War or early 1990s, I would be more impressed with justifications that relate to the security situation of today. HK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if part of the reason the removal has been kept quiet is concern that the U.S. is leaving Europe.  (Personally, I think NATO has served its purpose and we should close all our bases there, but that is another issue).</p>
<p><b>Reply: </b>That is an argument NATO uses officially. But it is not a very good one. It might have been valid immediately after the massive pullout of nuclear weapons in 1992-1993. But today there&#8217;s no real doubt about the U.S. commitment that other forces/relations adequately convey. Rather than recycled arguments from the Cold War or early 1990s, I would be more impressed with justifications that relate to the security situation of today. HK</p>
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		<title>By: gabriel domínguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>gabriel domínguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The information that I come to me suggests otherwise: the government and the armed forces of Russia believe that these U.S. interceptors and radars in Eastern Europe compromise the security of Russia. I do not know if that’s the conclusion after analyzing the strategic-military realistic, or whether it is a media-political maneuver. But I suspect that Washington (and The Pentagon) think-like Moscow, if the situation was the reverse: 10 interceptors and radars Russians just a few miles of U.S. territory ... in Cuba, for example.

I agree that the Russian nuclear force does not reach the same level as the Soviet and that allows US / NATO to reduce its arsenal in Europe. But I also believe that the air defense systems have improved faster than the offensive systems, and specifically the strategic bombers are now useful only against countries with poor air defense. The bombers are white increasingly easy to detect and shoot down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The information that I come to me suggests otherwise: the government and the armed forces of Russia believe that these U.S. interceptors and radars in Eastern Europe compromise the security of Russia. I do not know if that’s the conclusion after analyzing the strategic-military realistic, or whether it is a media-political maneuver. But I suspect that Washington (and The Pentagon) think-like Moscow, if the situation was the reverse: 10 interceptors and radars Russians just a few miles of U.S. territory &#8230; in Cuba, for example.</p>
<p>I agree that the Russian nuclear force does not reach the same level as the Soviet and that allows US / NATO to reduce its arsenal in Europe. But I also believe that the air defense systems have improved faster than the offensive systems, and specifically the strategic bombers are now useful only against countries with poor air defense. The bombers are white increasingly easy to detect and shoot down.</p>
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		<title>By: gabriel domínguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>gabriel domínguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know better than me that the deployment of elements of the U.S. missile shield in eastern Europe is a threat to Russian security far greater than the nuclear weapons of the USAF deployed at various bases in Europe and Turkey. After all this weapons is only effective if the bombers that carry it penetrate enemy territory and survive its air defenses, something unlikely if the enemy is Russia, the largest country in the world. Surely these weapons are a greater threat to U.S. allies in the countries that harbor them, as for potential U.S. enemies. And that is why they withdrew....

&lt;b&gt;Reply: &lt;/b&gt;Actually, I&#039;ll have to disagree with both of your points.

The missile defense system planned for Europe is, as far as I can gauge, not a &quot;threat&quot; to Russian security. With 10 interceptors it can (assuming it will work) at most complicate Russian ballistic missile strike planning in limited scenarios, but it&#039;s certainly no &quot;threat.&quot; If one believes there is a threat from NATO against Russia, which I don&#039;t (only counterproductive defense posturing), then nuclear weapons on offensive systems represent a far greater &quot;threat.&quot; In such a scenario, Russia&#039;s defenses would be a challenge, although hardly insurmountable.

The suggestion that the US withdrew the weapons from the UK because they were a greater threat to Britain (and can&#039;t penetrate Russian defenses) is, in my analysis, also not a correct reading of the situation. Rather, they were withdrawn because the Soviet threat they were deployed to counter had disappeared, because they compete with Air Force resources urgently needed for non-nuclear missions, and because the earlier force level in Europe was far in excess of what&#039;s needed for the vague political mission they allegedly serve today. HK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know better than me that the deployment of elements of the U.S. missile shield in eastern Europe is a threat to Russian security far greater than the nuclear weapons of the USAF deployed at various bases in Europe and Turkey. After all this weapons is only effective if the bombers that carry it penetrate enemy territory and survive its air defenses, something unlikely if the enemy is Russia, the largest country in the world. Surely these weapons are a greater threat to U.S. allies in the countries that harbor them, as for potential U.S. enemies. And that is why they withdrew&#8230;.</p>
<p><b>Reply: </b>Actually, I&#8217;ll have to disagree with both of your points.</p>
<p>The missile defense system planned for Europe is, as far as I can gauge, not a &#8220;threat&#8221; to Russian security. With 10 interceptors it can (assuming it will work) at most complicate Russian ballistic missile strike planning in limited scenarios, but it&#8217;s certainly no &#8220;threat.&#8221; If one believes there is a threat from NATO against Russia, which I don&#8217;t (only counterproductive defense posturing), then nuclear weapons on offensive systems represent a far greater &#8220;threat.&#8221; In such a scenario, Russia&#8217;s defenses would be a challenge, although hardly insurmountable.</p>
<p>The suggestion that the US withdrew the weapons from the UK because they were a greater threat to Britain (and can&#8217;t penetrate Russian defenses) is, in my analysis, also not a correct reading of the situation. Rather, they were withdrawn because the Soviet threat they were deployed to counter had disappeared, because they compete with Air Force resources urgently needed for non-nuclear missions, and because the earlier force level in Europe was far in excess of what&#8217;s needed for the vague political mission they allegedly serve today. HK</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are the secrets of the high and mighty and I respect you for sticking out your neck to make such research. Although it comes to me as a surprise because with the constant unspoken competition going on between Russia and America, why would such nuclear warheads be withdrawn from Lakenheath?

&lt;b&gt;Reply: &lt;/b&gt;The official justification is unknown, but one can speculate. First and foremost because the weapons in Europe are no longer tied primarily to what Russia does. The military mission evaporated in the early 1990s with the demise of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact, and the weapons have since been justified by a vague political role of signifying the continued US commitment to Europe. That role was needed after 1993 when thousands of tactical nuclear weapons were withdrawn, but is hardly credible today. The removal from Lakenheath and Ramstein means that NATO&#039;s nuclear posture today is focused - to the extent there is a military focus - on the situation in the Middle East. The situation in Georgia and relations with Russia will probably not affect the nuclear posture in Europe directly, but they will likely make it harder to reduce or even eliminate the European deployment because some officials will argue that this is the wrong time to do things that could been seen as rewarding Russia. HK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are the secrets of the high and mighty and I respect you for sticking out your neck to make such research. Although it comes to me as a surprise because with the constant unspoken competition going on between Russia and America, why would such nuclear warheads be withdrawn from Lakenheath?</p>
<p><b>Reply: </b>The official justification is unknown, but one can speculate. First and foremost because the weapons in Europe are no longer tied primarily to what Russia does. The military mission evaporated in the early 1990s with the demise of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact, and the weapons have since been justified by a vague political role of signifying the continued US commitment to Europe. That role was needed after 1993 when thousands of tactical nuclear weapons were withdrawn, but is hardly credible today. The removal from Lakenheath and Ramstein means that NATO&#8217;s nuclear posture today is focused &#8211; to the extent there is a military focus &#8211; on the situation in the Middle East. The situation in Georgia and relations with Russia will probably not affect the nuclear posture in Europe directly, but they will likely make it harder to reduce or even eliminate the European deployment because some officials will argue that this is the wrong time to do things that could been seen as rewarding Russia. HK</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this is interesting, but several years late.  The USAF hasn&#039;t been sending Nuclear Weapons Specialist to Lakenheath for years.  About 2004 or 2005 if I remember correctly, the same time as Ramstein closed shop.

&lt;b&gt;Reply: &lt;/b&gt;First, how do you know?

Second, we in the public inevitably are late because these matters are so secret. Moreover, as late as in May 2006, F-15Es of the 48 FW at Lakenheath conducted a nuclear weapons drop exercise at Nellis AFB in Nevada. So the timeline might have been a little later, or the wing retained a nuclear mission even after the weapons were withdrawn. HK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is interesting, but several years late.  The USAF hasn&#8217;t been sending Nuclear Weapons Specialist to Lakenheath for years.  About 2004 or 2005 if I remember correctly, the same time as Ramstein closed shop.</p>
<p><b>Reply: </b>First, how do you know?</p>
<p>Second, we in the public inevitably are late because these matters are so secret. Moreover, as late as in May 2006, F-15Es of the 48 FW at Lakenheath conducted a nuclear weapons drop exercise at Nellis AFB in Nevada. So the timeline might have been a little later, or the wing retained a nuclear mission even after the weapons were withdrawn. HK</p>
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		<title>By: A G Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>A G Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about time....It&#039;s ironic. The awful legacy of MAD left us with thousands of nuclear/atomic bombs, projects, missiles, etc etc that have to be dealt with. Unfortunately, we have much more to contend with (albeit both Russia and the US have substantially cut their ICBM/TBM forces since the end of the Cold War). Although I sincerely doubt the USAF will remove remaining B-61&#039;s from Italy and Turkey...removing weapons from RAF Lakenheath is a huge step to denuclearization. The ONLY reason why we won&#039;t see nukes removed from Italy and Turkey is primarily politics; the same type of &quot;politics&quot; that led to the abrogation of the ABM treaty---which was a HUGE mistake, IMO--for it breaks the balance of power (see MAD). Creating nuclear/atomic weapons was inevitable---but this Frankenstein of a weapon platform will not go away easily. We simply need to continue making progress with denuclearization. One day that will happen...but I know it won&#039;t happen in MY life time...(or my son&#039;s, or my grandchildren, etc etc).

&lt;b&gt;Reply: &lt;/b&gt;Indeed it may take a long time; this morning the head of U.S. Strategic Command said that the United States needs to retain nuclear weapons &quot;for at least the remainder of this century.&quot; This statement - which extends the nuclear era further into the future than it has lasted so far - is at odds with Senator Obama&#039;s nuclear policy proposal and the plan for elimination put forward by Kissinger, Nunn, Perry and Schultz. HK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about time&#8230;.It&#8217;s ironic. The awful legacy of MAD left us with thousands of nuclear/atomic bombs, projects, missiles, etc etc that have to be dealt with. Unfortunately, we have much more to contend with (albeit both Russia and the US have substantially cut their ICBM/TBM forces since the end of the Cold War). Although I sincerely doubt the USAF will remove remaining B-61&#8242;s from Italy and Turkey&#8230;removing weapons from RAF Lakenheath is a huge step to denuclearization. The ONLY reason why we won&#8217;t see nukes removed from Italy and Turkey is primarily politics; the same type of &#8220;politics&#8221; that led to the abrogation of the ABM treaty&#8212;which was a HUGE mistake, IMO&#8211;for it breaks the balance of power (see MAD). Creating nuclear/atomic weapons was inevitable&#8212;but this Frankenstein of a weapon platform will not go away easily. We simply need to continue making progress with denuclearization. One day that will happen&#8230;but I know it won&#8217;t happen in MY life time&#8230;(or my son&#8217;s, or my grandchildren, etc etc).</p>
<p><b>Reply: </b>Indeed it may take a long time; this morning the head of U.S. Strategic Command said that the United States needs to retain nuclear weapons &#8220;for at least the remainder of this century.&#8221; This statement &#8211; which extends the nuclear era further into the future than it has lasted so far &#8211; is at odds with Senator Obama&#8217;s nuclear policy proposal and the plan for elimination put forward by Kissinger, Nunn, Perry and Schultz. HK</p>
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