Comments on: Chinese Submarine Patrols Doubled in 2008 http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/02/patrols.php Comments and analyses of important national and international security issues Fri, 25 May 2012 17:31:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Armando http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/02/patrols.php/comment-page-1#comment-6900 Armando Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:43:53 +0000 http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/?p=731#comment-6900 I don't want to doubt the People's Republic of China. I am also aware of the propaganda for local consumption. My curiosity is about FAS analysis of such incidents. It is very obvious that there is no fire without smoke. Submarines are built to track and it is very possible that the Indian sub had to turn back. This again is normal. Please also note that rules of engagement are very much in favor of the Chinese. You can't approach a warship just like that...at least not with the diesel subs the Indians operate. But all credit to the sub skipper who "shadows" 2 warships. I don’t want to doubt the People’s Republic of China. I am also aware of the propaganda for local consumption. My curiosity is about FAS analysis of such incidents. It is very obvious that there is no fire without smoke. Submarines are built to track and it is very possible that the Indian sub had to turn back. This again is normal. Please also note that rules of engagement are very much in favor of the Chinese. You can’t approach a warship just like that…at least not with the diesel subs the Indians operate. But all credit to the sub skipper who “shadows” 2 warships.

]]> By: Zach http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/02/patrols.php/comment-page-1#comment-6892 Zach Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:45:04 +0000 http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/?p=731#comment-6892 How does this compare with the Russian fleet patrols? <b>Reply: </b>For an update on Russia, check the FAS Strategic Security Blog next week. HK How does this compare with the Russian fleet patrols?

Reply: For an update on Russia, check the FAS Strategic Security Blog next week. HK

]]> By: Anoop Atre http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/02/patrols.php/comment-page-1#comment-6888 Anoop Atre Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:07:27 +0000 http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/?p=731#comment-6888 Armando: I'd be interested in such statistics/analysis too just out of curiosity. I would guess if FAS takes note of such incidents it would be to analyze tracking and counter-tracking technology developments. Do you know how the sub was forced to surface (too lazy to do any quick search on the internets : ) <b>Reply: </b>Again, despite reports, I doubt anything was "forced" to surface. A surface vessel can't force a submarine to surface without use of weapons. HK Armando: I’d be interested in such statistics/analysis too just out of curiosity. I would guess if FAS takes note of such incidents it would be to analyze tracking and counter-tracking technology developments. Do you know how the sub was forced to surface (too lazy to do any quick search on the internets : )

Reply: Again, despite reports, I doubt anything was “forced” to surface. A surface vessel can’t force a submarine to surface without use of weapons. HK

]]> By: 3.1415 http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/02/patrols.php/comment-page-1#comment-6887 3.1415 Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:50:14 +0000 http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/?p=731#comment-6887 [Edited] Armando, that is a faked news <a target="_blank" href="http://world.huanqiu.com/roll/2009-02/363646.html" rel="nofollow">denied</a> by both India and China. See India Times report on Feb. 5. <b>Reply: </b>Denials can mean many things; it can be a total smokescreen, a denial of certain aspects of the incident, or that it never happened. HK [Edited] Armando, that is a faked news denied by both India and China. See India Times report on Feb. 5.

Reply: Denials can mean many things; it can be a total smokescreen, a denial of certain aspects of the incident, or that it never happened. HK

]]> By: Armando http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/02/patrols.php/comment-page-1#comment-6885 Armando Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:28:07 +0000 http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/?p=731#comment-6885 The Chinese encountered an Indian sub tracking them and forced it to surface this year. Does FAS take note of these incidents at some level? <b>Report: </b>We take note of them, like everyone else. But I doubt the Indian sub was "force" to do anything. But the public perception that there is some kind of cat and mouse game going on between India and China is certainly building, and all sides seem to be "feeding" of that atmosphere. Every time something like this happens, it fuels calls in bother countries for vigilance increased military capabilities. HK The Chinese encountered an Indian sub tracking them and forced it to surface this year. Does FAS take note of these incidents at some level?

Report: We take note of them, like everyone else. But I doubt the Indian sub was “force” to do anything. But the public perception that there is some kind of cat and mouse game going on between India and China is certainly building, and all sides seem to be “feeding” of that atmosphere. Every time something like this happens, it fuels calls in bother countries for vigilance increased military capabilities. HK

]]> By: Hans Kristensen http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/02/patrols.php/comment-page-1#comment-6875 Hans Kristensen Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:19:33 +0000 http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/?p=731#comment-6875 For a Chinese translation on a Chinese blog, go <a target="_blank" href="http://whirlwing.cn/150.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. HK For a Chinese translation on a Chinese blog, go here. HK

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