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	<title>Comments on: Germany and NATO&#8217;s Nuclear Dilemma</title>
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		<title>By: lisa lebowski</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/10/germany.php/comment-page-1#comment-8387</link>
		<dc:creator>lisa lebowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would ask readers to consider the question of in what way is an atomic explosive a weapon? This is an honest question. These machines intrinsically and unavoidably produce explosions that are unfocused and on such a large scale that they do not seem to qualify as weapons. Furthermore, in the case of genuine weapons, a conjugate defensive device is possible. No such device is possible in the example of atomic explosives.  I therefore submit to readers here the idea that to use the term “nuclear weapon” is, in a rhetorical sense, to repeat a falsehood that tends to create or foster a narrative myth that itself tends to encourage the use of these machines. An accurate alternative terminology, which I propose, is “infernal atomic device”.

Additionally, a dependent question arises: In what way do these machines convey protection? Again, this is an honest question. Offering the near instantaneous obliteration of masses of people, lengthy poisoning of large areas, and destruction of valuable equity may indeed have some effect and may seem or even be desirable to some select few, but I am not aware of any cogent argument that supports the idea that these machines offer protection. What remains is, I suspect, another rhetorical canard that supports a dangerous narrative myth – that “nuclear protection” exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would ask readers to consider the question of in what way is an atomic explosive a weapon? This is an honest question. These machines intrinsically and unavoidably produce explosions that are unfocused and on such a large scale that they do not seem to qualify as weapons. Furthermore, in the case of genuine weapons, a conjugate defensive device is possible. No such device is possible in the example of atomic explosives.  I therefore submit to readers here the idea that to use the term “nuclear weapon” is, in a rhetorical sense, to repeat a falsehood that tends to create or foster a narrative myth that itself tends to encourage the use of these machines. An accurate alternative terminology, which I propose, is “infernal atomic device”.</p>
<p>Additionally, a dependent question arises: In what way do these machines convey protection? Again, this is an honest question. Offering the near instantaneous obliteration of masses of people, lengthy poisoning of large areas, and destruction of valuable equity may indeed have some effect and may seem or even be desirable to some select few, but I am not aware of any cogent argument that supports the idea that these machines offer protection. What remains is, I suspect, another rhetorical canard that supports a dangerous narrative myth – that “nuclear protection” exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Artem</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/10/germany.php/comment-page-1#comment-8382</link>
		<dc:creator>Artem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think, when Germany (probably, together with Belgium and Netherlands) will address to the Allies for the consultation on the issue of the withdrawal? It seems like for Germans it would be more preferable to raise the issue on TNWs in Europe before NPR 2010 will be published. And about JSF: will the decision, whether JSF is to be designed as DCA or not, be adopted after NPR 2010 or this two things do not correlate with?

&lt;b&gt;Reply: &lt;/b&gt;The Germans certainly want to see some movement on the issue, and they will get support from several other countries. By stating in public that they want to see a withdrawal they have already accomplished raising the issue. How far they can move this inside NATO during the Strategic Concept review, much less before the NPR is published, is hard to gauge. If the past is any indication, then a decision will not come from Europe but from Washington. Some people will try to link that decision to the next round of arms control with Russia, which both Russia and the United States have said should address non-strategic weapons. But Germany and other supporters of a withdrawal have not made that link a condition, which I think is a good thing.

On the JSF, I think the NPR will made a recommendation. But although we hear some argue that that decision is intrinsically linked to extended deterrence in Europe, I don&#039;t think that view is necessarily shared by the authors of the NPR, who see other ways of continuing extended deterrence even without a nuclear JSF. HK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think, when Germany (probably, together with Belgium and Netherlands) will address to the Allies for the consultation on the issue of the withdrawal? It seems like for Germans it would be more preferable to raise the issue on TNWs in Europe before NPR 2010 will be published. And about JSF: will the decision, whether JSF is to be designed as DCA or not, be adopted after NPR 2010 or this two things do not correlate with?</p>
<p><b>Reply: </b>The Germans certainly want to see some movement on the issue, and they will get support from several other countries. By stating in public that they want to see a withdrawal they have already accomplished raising the issue. How far they can move this inside NATO during the Strategic Concept review, much less before the NPR is published, is hard to gauge. If the past is any indication, then a decision will not come from Europe but from Washington. Some people will try to link that decision to the next round of arms control with Russia, which both Russia and the United States have said should address non-strategic weapons. But Germany and other supporters of a withdrawal have not made that link a condition, which I think is a good thing.</p>
<p>On the JSF, I think the NPR will made a recommendation. But although we hear some argue that that decision is intrinsically linked to extended deterrence in Europe, I don&#8217;t think that view is necessarily shared by the authors of the NPR, who see other ways of continuing extended deterrence even without a nuclear JSF. HK</p>
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		<title>By: JAB</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/10/germany.php/comment-page-1#comment-8373</link>
		<dc:creator>JAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have a list of those &quot;30 plus&quot; nations that require nuclear protection? I believe that we should offer no nation a promise of nuclear protection, but I can see the concern of some nations who think they need some: Israel, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan come to mind. There is probably actually a very high probablility that the U.S. nuclear umbrella has deterred other nations from aggression against these particular nations.

&lt;b&gt;Reply: &lt;/b&gt;The &quot;30 plus&quot; are listed in &lt;a target=_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/01/schlesingerreport.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this blog&lt;/a&gt;. HK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have a list of those &#8220;30 plus&#8221; nations that require nuclear protection? I believe that we should offer no nation a promise of nuclear protection, but I can see the concern of some nations who think they need some: Israel, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan come to mind. There is probably actually a very high probablility that the U.S. nuclear umbrella has deterred other nations from aggression against these particular nations.</p>
<p><b>Reply: </b>The &#8220;30 plus&#8221; are listed in <a target=_blank" href="http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/01/schlesingerreport.php" rel="nofollow">this blog</a>. HK</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/10/germany.php/comment-page-1#comment-8365</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 02:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would the european NATO members need tactical nukes?

I don&#039;t really see the importance of withdrawal, though the storage issue might be worse than I think; 
but since the fall of the soviet block, the tactical nukes are obsolete, also: there&#039;s still two nuclear powers within arm&#039;s reach, France and the UK, who are also NATO members.

&lt;b&gt;Reply: &lt;/b&gt;Good questions. The importance of withdrawal, as I see it, is twofold: first, to free NATO from a Cold War posture to focus on today&#039;s challenges, and; second, to end the deterrence relationship with Russia. HK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would the european NATO members need tactical nukes?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really see the importance of withdrawal, though the storage issue might be worse than I think;<br />
but since the fall of the soviet block, the tactical nukes are obsolete, also: there&#8217;s still two nuclear powers within arm&#8217;s reach, France and the UK, who are also NATO members.</p>
<p><b>Reply: </b>Good questions. The importance of withdrawal, as I see it, is twofold: first, to free NATO from a Cold War posture to focus on today&#8217;s challenges, and; second, to end the deterrence relationship with Russia. HK</p>
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		<title>By: Distiller</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/10/germany.php/comment-page-1#comment-8358</link>
		<dc:creator>Distiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides the fact that the Kremlin wouldn&#039;t send its tanks into Poland the next day after the U.S. tactical nuclear warheads would be removed from Western Europe, keeping tactical nuclear warheads stored on the ground in theatre is questionable anyway (for a number of reasons). And what can a free falling bomb on a F-16 possible do better than a UGM-109A fired from a SSN or DDG?

But I feel that these tac nukes in Europa are at least aimed as much inwards, as outwards. Sure a lot of folks in the security establishment have a hard time to leave the Cold War behind, but there are also still those who have an even harder time to leave WW2 behind ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides the fact that the Kremlin wouldn&#8217;t send its tanks into Poland the next day after the U.S. tactical nuclear warheads would be removed from Western Europe, keeping tactical nuclear warheads stored on the ground in theatre is questionable anyway (for a number of reasons). And what can a free falling bomb on a F-16 possible do better than a UGM-109A fired from a SSN or DDG?</p>
<p>But I feel that these tac nukes in Europa are at least aimed as much inwards, as outwards. Sure a lot of folks in the security establishment have a hard time to leave the Cold War behind, but there are also still those who have an even harder time to leave WW2 behind &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Ch. Eigler</title>
		<link>http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/10/germany.php/comment-page-1#comment-8357</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Ch. Eigler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yet that’s precisely what the NATO strike mission entails: peacetime preparations for direct transfer of nuclear weapons and control over such weapons in times of war. ...
The mission is clearly inconsistent with if not the letter then certainly the spirit of the NPT.&quot;

We can all figure out how a future contradiction between actual wartime needs on one hand, and limitations of the NPT on the other, would be resolved. Practicing with dummies presents no current contradiction.

&lt;b&gt;Reply: &lt;/b&gt;&quot;Contradiction,&quot; oh but it most certainly is. The main issue is not legal but political. Equipping non-nuclear NPT countries with the means, skills, and plans to delivery nuclear weapons is not consistent with the nonproliferation regime and the nonproliferation standards Europe and the United States are promoting. The parallel would be Russia deploying nuclear weapons in Iran, equipping Iranian aircraft to carry the weapons, training Iranian pilots to deliver the weapons, and making the procedures for handing over control of the weapons to Iran in times of war. In such a hypothetical scenario, Russia could argue that it was merely doing so to assure Iran about its security and thereby preventing it from developing its own nuclear weapons. Obviously, it would require enormous changes in Russian and Iranian policies to create such a posture, but I think most would argue that it would be a clear contradiction of the NPT. HK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yet that’s precisely what the NATO strike mission entails: peacetime preparations for direct transfer of nuclear weapons and control over such weapons in times of war. &#8230;<br />
The mission is clearly inconsistent with if not the letter then certainly the spirit of the NPT.&#8221;</p>
<p>We can all figure out how a future contradiction between actual wartime needs on one hand, and limitations of the NPT on the other, would be resolved. Practicing with dummies presents no current contradiction.</p>
<p><b>Reply: </b>&#8220;Contradiction,&#8221; oh but it most certainly is. The main issue is not legal but political. Equipping non-nuclear NPT countries with the means, skills, and plans to delivery nuclear weapons is not consistent with the nonproliferation regime and the nonproliferation standards Europe and the United States are promoting. The parallel would be Russia deploying nuclear weapons in Iran, equipping Iranian aircraft to carry the weapons, training Iranian pilots to deliver the weapons, and making the procedures for handing over control of the weapons to Iran in times of war. In such a hypothetical scenario, Russia could argue that it was merely doing so to assure Iran about its security and thereby preventing it from developing its own nuclear weapons. Obviously, it would require enormous changes in Russian and Iranian policies to create such a posture, but I think most would argue that it would be a clear contradiction of the NPT. HK</p>
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