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21 December 1999

Transcript: PBS Lehrer Report Discusses Possible Terrorist Threats

(People should be cautious, but continue with their plans) (2590)

(12/21/99 - permission obtained covering republication of the text by
USIS/press outside the U.S. From The Newshour with Jim Lehrer,
December 20, 1999, co-produced by MACNEIL/LEHRER PRODUCTIONS and WETA
in association with WNET. Copyright (c) 1999 by MacNeil-Lehrer
Productions.)

With the State Department having issued, a week and a half ago, a
worldwide warning regarding possible terrorist threats during
millennium celebrations plus the arrest over the past weekend of a man
charged with carrying bomb making materials at the U.S.-Canadian
border, U.S. officials are on high alert.

Jim Lehrer led a discussion with experts on possible terrorist threats
on his PBS program, the JIM LEHRER REPORT, on the evening of December
20.

"Despite the heightened alert that U.S. Customs agents have put on
every port of entry into the United States, officials say terrorists
may be planning a millennium attack on American citizens," according
to Spencer Michels of PBS.

White House National Security Advisor Sandy Berger was quoted as
having said on CBS-TV's "Face the Nation" interview program Sunday
that "Americans should be vigilant, as they go about their plans for
the New Year's, if they see something suspicious, see packages or
activities that they think are unusual, they should obviously let law
enforcement people know." Berger added that the U.S. is not aware at
this point of other specific threats against particular targets.

Raymond Kelly, head of the U.S. Customs Service said "we've been on a
heightened state of readiness as other law enforcement agencies have
been for a while as we enter the Y2K timeframe. What we've done since
the seizure Tuesday is to increase our manning at some of our remote
ports and, indeed, some of the busier ports as well."

"I think we should be vigilant, we should cautious but I don't think
we should significantly change our way of life, our activities," said
Kelly.

Ambassador Michael Sheehan, the State Department's coordinator for
counter terrorism said he thinks "long before these threats came out
we were concerned about Millennial threats. We've been coordinating
with countries abroad. Sheehan said that although the State Department
put out the worldwide terrorism warning on December 11, "it's a yellow
light, not a red light, and we think Americans should still continue
to do their plans but just be cautious."

Following is the PBS transcript:

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A THREAT OF VIOLENCE

December 20, 1999

A State Department warning regarding millennium celebrations coupled
with an arrest of a man charged with carrying bomb making materials at
the U.S.-Canadian border has put officials on high alert. Jim Lehrer
leads a discussion with experts on possible terrorist threats.

JIM LEHRER:  Terrorist threats from abroad.  Spencer Michels begins.

SPENCER MICHELS: Despite the heightened alert that U.S. Customs agents
have put on every port of entry into the United States, officials say
terrorists may be planning a millennium attack on American citizens.
The latest warnings came after the arrest of Ahmed Ressam, the
Algerian man charged with trying to smuggle bomb-making explosives
through Port Angeles in Washington State from Canada last week. He is
suspected of having ties to Afghan-based militant Osama bin Laden.
Last week, the State Department issued its fifth worldwide caution
since October, saying it has "credible information" that guerrillas
were planning New Year's attacks. The latest warnings from Washington
came on the heels of arrests by foreign governments.

On December 15, the government of Jordan announced the arrest of 13
individuals suspected of planning attacks on tourist and other sites.
And 200 Afghan nationals were arrested over the weekend in Pakistan.
But today the White House said those arrests did not appear related to
the terrorist threat. Yesterday, White House security adviser Samuel
Berger confirmed that US law enforcement and intelligence agencies
have been operating at "full tilt."

SAMUEL BERGER: As we head towards the New Year's and the Millennium,
the end of Ramadan, this is a period of heightened risk of terrorist
actions involving Americans. I would say this: I would say that
Americans should be vigilant, as they go about their plans for... for
the New Year's, if they see something suspicious, see packages or
activities that they think are unusual, they should obviously let law
enforcement people know.

SPENCER MICHELS: Berger added that the US is not aware at this point
of other specific threats against particular targets.

An arrest at the Canadian border

JIM LEHRER: And now to Raymond Kelly, commissioner of the US Customs
Service and Ambassador Michael Sheehan, the State Department's
coordinator for counter terrorism.

Commissioner, tell us how your agents happened to arrest this man at
the Canadian border last week.

RAYMOND KELLY, US Customs Service: Well, this individual acted in a
somewhat nervous manner. The inspectors asked him to get out of the
vehicle. He first refused to do so. He then got out of the vehicle.
They asked him to open the trunk, which is fairly normal procedure.
When he went back and looked in the truck of this individual, they saw
some substance there. They thought it might have been drugs. He then
bolted. He actually ran out of his jacket and ran for five blocks,
attempted to get into a woman's car. They chased him on foot and were
able to wrestle him to the ground and handcuff him. He had nothing to
say.

JIM LEHRER: There was no word -- advance word -- that he was coming.
There was no tip that this guy was coming in with some explosives.

RAYMOND KELLY: No. There was no advanced information. What happened,
what we want customs inspectors to do is to question people, and they
started a normal conversation. His itinerary seemed a little bit
unusual, and he was uncommunicative and, again, when they asked him to
get out of the car, he refused to get out of the vehicle.

JIM LEHRER:  What happened to the woman who was driving the car?

RAYMOND KELLY:  The woman who was driving the car.

JIM LEHRER:  Right.

RAYMOND KELLY: She took off. She drove through a red light and she got
away. Of course he was in the middle of the street and was subdued by
our inspectors.

JIM LEHRER: But you believe there are other people involved with this
guy, right?

RAYMOND KELLY: No, I can't make that judgment. The FBI is doing that
investigation. We simply don't have information at this time to
indicate that someone else is involved with him. I'm aware of the
reports coming out of Canada, but as far as our piece of the action
this individual was by himself.

JIM LEHRER: Have you done anything in your piece of the action
differently as a result of this arrest last week?

A heightened state of readiness

RAYMOND KELLY: We have; we've been on a heightened state of readiness
as other law enforcement agencies have been for a while as we enter
the Y2K timeframe. What we've done since the seizure Tuesday is to
increase our manning at some of our remote ports and, indeed, some of
the busier ports as well. We've done that through redeployment; we've
done that through overtime and certainly our inspector are more
vigilant. What we want them to do is have more citizen contacts, more
contacts with people who are coming through the system and do more
searches. However we don't think it's going to increase the delay
times appreciably.

JIM LEHRER: Now, is it not your job to investigate now who is guy is,
where he came from and what he might have been up to?

RAYMOND KELLY: Well, we have some very talented investigators, no
question about it, but the FBI has taken charge of this investigation.
We're cooperating fully with them. We've turned our evidence over to
the FBI so they can conduct the investigation.

JIM LEHRER: Now Mr. Ambassador, Ambassador Sheehan, the State
Department is involved in all of this informationally, if not
otherwise. What can you add to what the commissioner said about who
this guy was, whether there were other people with him, what he had in
mind?

MICHAEL A. SHEEHAN, State Department: Well, I think I would echo what
Commissioner Kelly said. We don't know. It would be very speculative
to make those kinds of comments about him and what organizations he
may be tied to. But we're working closely with the Canadians and FBI
to get all the details as soon as we can.

JIM LEHRER: In a general way forget, you can put that in or not put it
in, but just in a general way, how would you characterize the
seriousness of the threat to Americans, both here and abroad during
this coming holiday season?

MICHAEL A. SHEEHAN: Well, I think long before these threats came out
we were concerned about Millennial threats. We've been coordinating
with countries abroad. When had this specific and credible information
based on a Jordanian cell, we put out a worldwide warning.

JIM LEHRER: These were the Jordanians who were arrested a few weeks
ago.

MICHAEL A. SHEEHAN:  That's correct.

JIM LEHRER:  Right.

MICHAEL A. SHEEHAN: And that is our obligation to start -- the State
Department's -- to share that information about the American people
and give them prudent warnings; however, we don't have any other
specific information at this time. And although we have put out that
warning, as Sandy Berger said the other day, it's a yellow light, not
a red light, and we think Americans should still continue to do their
plans but just to be cautious.

JIM LEHRER: But when you -- you and others use the term -- you meaning
the State Department and others in government use the term "credible
threats," what do you mean by that?

Credible threats or just concerns?

MICHAEL A. SHEEHAN: Well, specifically in this organization that was
arrested in Jordan that was a credible threat because they were in the
planning stages of an attack. But that cell has been rounded up by
those officials in a very professional way. And at this time we don't
have anything other like that, specific credible threats. But we have
put out a general warning because that was the prudent thing to do.

JIM LEHRER: So you don't have any credible threats but you have the
concern that they may be out there and you don't know about them?
That's the bottom line.

MICHAEL A. SHEEHAN: That's correct, we are concerned that there may be
other cells operating out there. We have some general information
about that and we are working with a lot of services around the world
to disrupt that type of activity and quite successfully so. We don't
have any other specific information as we had in the case of this cell
that was broken up.

JIM LEHRER: What are the motives of these folks? Why would they want
to commit terrorist acts against Americans over this holiday period?

MICHAEL A. SHEEHAN: Well, I wouldn't speculate too much on the motives
of these groups but there are long-standing complaints by Osama bin
Laden's organization about American presence in the Gulf, his
anti-Israeli stances are well known but I wouldn't speculate
particularly about this group and what their particular motive was.

JIM LEHRER:  But, why the Millennium, why the end of the year?

The right time for terrorism?

MICHAEL A. SHEEHAN: Well, I think terrorists often look for
spectacular events around certain holidays. That's an old way of
operating for many terrorist groups around the world. We always look
at certain holidays, and this, of course, is a special one and may
draw the attention of concern groups.

JIM LEHRER: Commissioner Kelly, in addition to, of course, being the
commissioner now of the Custom's Service, you have a long career in
law enforcement. What could you add to that? I mean, here again we're
not talking about specifics, but why would people want to do something
at this particular time?

RAYMOND KELLY: Well, difficult to say as Mike Sheehan said, we've seen
gropes in the past focus on particular days, particular events,
seasons of the year, but then again in the World Trade Center bombing
we could never link that to a particular date. So it's so difficult to
predict these events.

JIM LEHRER: What advice would you have Commissioner, to Americans who
were contemplating any kind of special action over this holiday time
-- should anybody do anything differently?

RAYMOND KELLY: I think as Sandy Berger said yesterday, I think we
should be vigilant, we should cautious but I don't think we should
significantly change our way of life, our activities. Someone asked me
today about the celebration at New Year's Eve in Times Square. I was
the police commissioner in New York and have been a member of the
department for 31 years. It is a great event, and it is probably the
most heavily policed event in the United States, 2000 police officers
in a five-block area, events in Washington other big cities --

JIM LEHRER: Big events on the mall, there are going to be huge events
on the mall with the President and everything.

RAYMOND KELLY: And they're going to be extremely well policed. You
have law enforcement obviously at a heightened state of readiness. So
I don't think we should give in and significantly change or -- our
plans or activities for the season.

JIM LEHRER: Ambassador, what about Americans traveling abroad, should
they stay home?

MICHAEL A. SHEEHAN: I agree with Ray Kelly. No, at this point, I plan
to be down on the mall on New Year's Eve. I have good friends in
England and family in Rome that are going to go to events and I've
read all of the intelligence and I still recommended that people go to
those events. We have information. We've put out that information
about these cells, but I would think that people can continue on their
business, but to be cautious, as we've indicated in our warnings.

Having a safe New Year's

JIM LEHRER:  But what does being cautious mean, Mr. Ambassador?

MICHAEL A. SHEEHAN: Well, I think whatever, if you are in a large
crowd and you see certain unmarked packages, you see suspicious
looking vehicles or personnel operating in strange ways report it to
the local authorities and local law enforcement authorities as soon as
possible. Otherwise I think people can enjoy their holidays as they've
planned.

JIM LEHRER: Do you plan -- this is the fifth alert that you all have
put out. Are there others coming? Do you consider this routine for
this kind of time of year, this kind of event or is this a special
thing that we're talking about? That's what I'm trying to get a handle
on.

MICHAEL A. SHEEHAN: This is certainly, we have had several alerts over
the past months. And that is more than normal. Clearly there has been
some activity. And fortunately we were able to break up the cell in
Jordan and have some other successful disruptions of activity, but I
think although there indications that activity was heightened around
this period, around this holiday period, we think it's a cautionary
period but certainly one where people can proceed with their plans.

JIM LEHRER: Well, Mr. Ambassador, Mr. Commissioner, thank you both
very much.

MICHAEL A. SHEEHAN:  Thank you, Jim.

RAYMOND KELLY:  Thank you, Jim.

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