PROCEEDINGS OF THE COMMITTEE RELATING TO THE REPORT
MONDAY 14 JUNE 1999
Members present:
Mr Chris Mullin, in the Chair
| Mr Robin Corbett | Mrs Janet Dean |
| Mr Nick Hawkins | Mr Gerald Howarth |
| Mr Martin Linton | Mr Humfrey Malins |
| Bob Russell | Mr Paul Stinchcombe |
| Mr David Winnick | |
Draft Report [Accountability of the Security Service],
proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the draft
Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 3 read and agreed to.
Paragraph 3 read as follows:
"In 1992, emboldened perhaps by the spirit of
glasnost that prevailed elsewhere in the world, the then Home
Affairs Committee asked the Home Secretary at the time, the Rt
Hon Kenneth Clark MP, if it might take evidence from the then
Director-General of the Security Service, Mrs Stella Rimington,
whose responsibilitiestheoretically at leastcame
within the Committee's remit. The answer was a firm 'no'. Only
when it was pointed out that Mrs Rimington was already dining
with certain favoured journalists did the Home Secretary relent.
A private lunch was arranged at the Security Service headquarters
between Mrs Rimington and six members of the Committee. The Committee,
however, took the view that a free lunch was no substitute for
proper parliamentary scrutiny. In January 1993 it published a
report concluding that the Security Service should be made subject
to the normal departmental select committee structure. The Government
rejected this recommendation; the Committee, said the Government,
had paid "insufficient regard to the unique nature of the
Security Service and to the personal nature of the Director-General's
accountability to the Home Secretary". The Government did,
however, concede that the matter would be kept under review."
An amendment proposed, in line 8, to leave out "free".
(Mr David Winnick.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes, 2 | Noes, 5 |
| Mr Nick Hawkins | Mr Robin Corbett |
| Mr David Winnick | Mrs Janet Dean |
| Mr Martin Linton |
| Bob Russell |
| Mr Paul Stinchcombe |
Paragraph agreed to.
Paragraphs 4 to 40 read and agreed to.
Paragraph 41 read.
Question put, That the paragraph stand part of the
Report.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes, 6 | Noes, 3 |
| Mr Robin Corbett | Mr Nick Hawkins |
| Mrs Janet Dean | Mr Gerald Howarth |
| Mr Martin Linton | Mr Humfrey Malins |
| Bob Russell | |
| Mr Paul Stinchcombe | |
| Mr David Winnick | |
Paragraphs 42 to 46 read and agreed to.
Paragraph 47 read.
Question put, That the paragraph stand part of the
Report.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes, 6 | Noes, 3 |
| Mr Robin Corbett | Mr Nick Hawkins |
| Mrs Janet Dean | Mr Gerald Howarth |
| Mr Martin Linton | Mr Humfrey Malins |
| Bob Russell | |
| Mr Paul Stinchcombe | |
| Mr David Winnick | |
Paragraph 48 read.
Question put, That the paragraph stand part of the
Report.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes, 6 | Noes, 2 |
| Mr Robin Corbett | Mr Nick Hawkins |
| Mrs Janet Dean | Mr Gerald Howarth |
| Mr Martin Linton | |
| Bob Russell | |
| Mr Paul Stinchcombe | |
| Mr David Winnick | |
Motion made, and Question put, That the Report be
the Third Report of the Committee to the House.
The Committee divided.
Ayes, 6 Noes, 3
Mr Robin Corbett Mr Nick Hawkins
Mrs Janet Dean Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Martin Linton Mr Humfrey Malins
Bob Russell
Mr Paul Stinchcombe
Mr David Winnick
Ordered, That the Chairman
do make the Report to the House.
Ordered, That the provisions
of Standing Order No. 134 (Select committees (reports)) be applied
to the Report.
Several papers were ordered to be appended to the
Minutes of Evidence.
Ordered, That the Appendices
to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported
to the House.(The Chairman.)
[Adjourned till Tuesday 22nd June at quarter
past Ten o'clock.
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