Congressional Record: July 22, 2003 (House)
Page H7284-H7311

 
DEPARTMENTS OF COMMERCE, JUSTICE, AND STATE, THE JUDICIARY, AND RELATED 
                   AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2004
	
					  
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                     Amendment Offered by Mr. Otter

  Mr. OTTER. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
  The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
  The text of the amendment is as follows:

       Amendment offered by Mr. Otter:
       At the end of the bill (before the short title), insert the 
     following:
       Section . None of the funds made available in this act may 
     be used to seek a delay under Section 3103a(b) of title 18 
     United States Code.


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  Mr. OTTER. Mr. Chairman, over 200 years ago when the formulation of 
this great republic was being put together, John Stuart Mill sat down 
and probably put the essence of this government in writing better than 
anyone could. "A people," he said, "may prefer a free government, 
but if from indolence or carelessness, or cowardice, or want of public 
spirit, they are unequal to the exertions necessary for preserving it; 
if they will not fight for it when it is directly attacked; if by 
momentary discouragement or temporary panic, they can be deluded by the 
artifices used to cheat them out of it; or if in a fit of enthusiasm 
for an individual, they can be induced to lay their liberties at the 
feet of even a great man, in all these cases, they are more or less 
unfit for liberty. And though it may have been to their good to have 
had it for a short time, they are unlikely long to enjoy it."
  The United States PATRIOT Act was well intentioned, Mr. Chairman, 
especially during a time of uncertainty and panic. However, now we have 
had a chance to step back and examine it objectively. The legislation 
deserves serious reevaluation. While I agree with some of the new 
powers granted to the Federal law enforcement authorities that may be, 
and I stress "may be," necessary, many more are unjustified and are 
dangerously undermining our civil liberties.
  We have the opportunity to revisit these sections of the USA PATRIOT 
Act and to correct these mistakes from those first frenzied weeks after 
September 11, 2001.
  One provision, section 213, allows delayed notification of the 
execution of a search warrant. It authorizes no-knock searches of 
private residences, our homes, either physically or electronically. By 
putting off notice of the execution of a warrant, even delaying it 
indefinitely, section 213 of the USA PATRIOT Act prevents people, or 
even their attorneys, from reviewing the warrant for correctness in 
legalities.
  These "sneak and peek" searches give the government the power to 
repeatedly search a private residence without informing the residents 
that he or she is the target of an investigation. Not only does this 
provision allow the seizure of personal property and business records 
without notification, but it also opens the door to nationwide search 
warrants and allows the CIA and the NSA to operate domestically.
  American citizens, whom the government has pledged to protect from 
terrorist activities, now find themselves the victims of the very 
weapon designed to uproot their enemies.
  It is in defense of these freedoms that I offer this amendment today 
to the Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judiciary, and Related 
Agencies Appropriations Act for the fiscal year 2004 bill. This 
amendment would prohibit any funds from being used to carry out section 
213 of the USA PATRIOT Act as signed into law on October 26, 2001. 
Through the passage of this amendment, Americans would have reinstated 
a different kind of security, one giving them renewed confidence in 
their government in tirelessly protecting their individual freedom from 
unjustified and unnecessary intrusion.
  Being secure at the expense of our freedom is no real security. Like 
many Idahoans who have come to me with their concerns about the USA 
PATRIOT Act and in passionate defense of their freedoms, we must 
continue to examine our actions to correct our mistakes to guard 
against the apathy or the indifference to safeguarding our liberties.
  To these Federal agencies, it is a house, it is a building, it is a 
business; but to us, Mr. Chairman, it is our homes, and there is 
nothing more sacred than homes in America because it is the foundation 
on which we build our families. It is the arsenal in which the virtue 
and hope of every generation resides, and it is the fundamental primer 
of any free people.

                              {time}  1800

  We can, with the adoption of this first alteration to the PATRIOT 
Act, begin the reclamation of our title of a Nation as a people fit for 
liberty.
  Mr. WOLF. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the amendment, 
without really knowing completely what it does. Let me just say if 
anyone from the Justice Department is listening, is there an office of 
legislative counsel down there who can give opinions? Hello, is there a 
policy office down there?
  This would be a mistake, though. We are amending the PATRIOT Act, 
this is not an appropriations issue, on the floor of the House. The 
gentleman may very well be right, and he seems to have pretty good 
information, but he may not be. So for us to amend the PATRIOT Act in 
this bill, I think would be a mistake.
  This is not an appropriate amendment for an appropriations bill. This 
is clearly for the authorizers; this is clearly for the Department of 
Justice to come up and sit down with the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. 
Otter) and discuss this with him. This is clearly for the legislative 
counsel of the Department of Justice to address.
  The gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter) may very well be right. The 
gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter) may not be right. But undoing a 
statute with a funding limitation at 6 o'clock at night without knowing 
what the ramifications are is not really the way to legislate.
  So because of that, not because the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter) 
is wrong, I want to stress again he may very well be right; and then 
again, I want to stress he may not be, but I also want to stress that 
the Department of Justice is AWOL on this issue with regard to coming 
and sharing with the Congress, and with the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. 
Otter), some of the concerns. But in an appropriations bill, I do not 
think it would be appropriate to amend the PATRIOT Act, without having 
extensive and deep debate.
  So with that, I oppose the amendment. I would be glad, as I said, to 
set up meetings, should this amendment fail, with the Justice 
Department and the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter) so we can get to 
the bottom, to make sure whether what the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. 
Otter) said is true or not true.
  With that, I oppose the amendment.
  Mr. SERRANO. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the amendment, and I would 
refer the gentleman to my earlier comments about civil liberties and 
the issues which are contained within the PATRIOT Act.
  I may not totally end up on the side of disagreeing with the 
gentleman once some more research is done. My problem with the 
amendment is that lately we have been seeing a lot of amendments on 
this bill, both in committee and on the floor, where we fully do not 
know the full impact.
  That may sound to some people as a contradiction to the fact that I 
would want to be the leader in changing and I would lead the charge in 
changing the PATRIOT Act. So I understand that, if there is concern, 
the gentleman has to be respected for that. But this is an issue that 
we really need to consult with many people on, and we just do not think 
it should be done on this particular bill.
  With that in mind, not only would I oppose it, but I would hope the 
gentleman would reconsider and withdraw his amendment.
  Mr. KUCINICH. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of 
words.
  Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the amendment of the gentleman 
from Idaho (Mr. Otter) and am proud to join with him and the gentleman 
from Texas (Mr. Paul) in cosponsoring it.
  It has been said that Members may not know the impact of this 
amendment. This amendment seeks to deny funds which would be used to 
carry out section 213 of the PATRIOT Act, which allows for so-called 
sneak-and-peak searches. It has been said that Members may not know the 
impact of this amendment.
  Let it be stated here that when this House passed the PATRIOT Act, 
most Members, as diligent as they are, nevertheless did not have access 
to see the very bill they were voting on, that, in fact, we were not 
voting on at 6 o'clock in the afternoon, we were voting on in the dead 
of night. In an atmosphere of apprehension and confusion and chaos, the 
Congress passed the PATRIOT Act, which has led to a destructive 
undermining of numerous provisions of the Bill of Rights. The amendment 
of the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter) is the first opportunity that 
we have had

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in this House to correct something that has been a grievous assault on 
our Constitution.
  We are offering this amendment to restore integrity to the fourth 
amendment by denying funds from being used to carry out section 213 of 
the PATRIOT Act, that section which allows for the sneak-and-peak 
searches. Common law has always required that the government cannot 
enter your property without you and must, therefore, give you notice 
before it executes a search. That knock-and-announce principle has long 
been recognized as having been codified in the fourth amendment to the 
United States Constitution.
  The PATRIOT Act, however, unconstitutionally amended the Federal 
Rules of Criminal Procedure to allow the government to conduct searches 
without notifying the subjects, at least until long after the search 
has been executed. Let me tell you what this means. This means that 
under this law, this law which was passed by the Congress, the 
government can enter your house, your apartment, your office, with a 
search warrant, when the occupants are away, search through your 
property, take photographs, and, in some cases, even seize property and 
not tell you until later. This effectively guts the fourth amendment 
protections.
  In response to questioning by the Committee on the Judiciary, the 
Department of Justice makes it clear that the fourth amendment is 
already in peril as a result of section 213. Listen to this box score 
of their activity: the Department of Justice reports that sneak-and-
peak searches have been used on 47 separate occasions and that the 
period of delay for notification has been sought almost 250 times. I 
would suggest to you just once constitutes a threat to our Bill of 
Rights.
  These secret warrants have been used in Federal criminal 
investigations not necessarily related to terrorist investigations.
  Notice with a warrant is a crucial check on the government's power. 
It forces authorities to operate in the open. It allows citizens to 
protect their constitutional rights. For example, it allows subjects to 
point out problems with a warrant, for instance, if the police are at 
the wrong address or if the scope of the warrant is obviously being 
exceeded.
  If, for example, authorities in search of a stolen car go into 
someone's apartment and rifle through a dresser drawer, search warrants 
rightly contain limits on what may be searched. But when the searching 
authorities have utter control and discretion over a search, American 
citizens are unable to defend their constitutional rights.
  This assault on the fourth amendment is wrong, it is 
unconstitutional, it is un-American; and it must stop. I would ask my 
colleagues to recall the oft-invoked words of a great American, 
Benjamin Franklin, who once said: "Those who would give up essential 
liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty 
nor safety."
  I say today that section 213 of the PATRIOT Act destroys an essential 
liberty. The Otter amendment restores it.
  Mr. PAUL. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of 
words.
  (Mr. PAUL asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. PAUL. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of this amendment. I want 
to compliment the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter) for bringing this to 
the floor.
  When the PATRIOT Act was passed, it was in the passions following 9/
11, and that bill should have never been passed. It was brought up 
carelessly, casually, in a rapid manner. The bill that had been 
discussed in the Committee on the Judiciary was removed during the 
night before we voted. The full text of this bill was very difficult to 
find. I am convinced that very few Members were able to review this 
bill before voting. That bill should have never passed. We certainly 
should continue to maintain the sunset provisions. But that is a long 
way off, and we should be starting to reform and improve this 
particular piece of legislation. This is our first chance to do so.
  I have had many Members in the Congress come to me and on the quiet 
admit to me that voting for the PATRIOT Act was the worst bill and the 
worst vote they have ever cast; and this will give them an opportunity 
to change it, although this is very narrow. It is too bad we could not 
have made this more broad, and it is too bad we are not going to get to 
vote on the amendment of the gentleman from Vermont (Mr. Sanders) to 
make sure that without the proper search warrant that the Federal 
Government would not have access to the library records.
  But there is no need ever to sacrifice liberty in order to maintain 
security. I feel more secure when I have more liberty; and that is why 
I am a defender of liberty, because my main concern is security, both 
in the physical sense as well as the financial sense. I think the freer 
the country is, the more prosperous we are; and the freer the country 
is, the more secure we are.
  Yet it was in the atmosphere of post-9/11 that so many were anxious 
to respond to what they perceived as demands by the people to do 
something. But just to do something, if you are doing the wrong thing, 
what good is it? You are doing more harm.
  But my main argument is that there is never a need to sacrifice 
liberty in order to protect liberty, and that is why we would like to 
at least remove this clause that allows sneak-and-peak search warrants.
  It took hundreds, if not thousands, of years to develop this concept 
that governments do not have the right to break in without the proper 
procedures and without probable cause. And yet we threw that out the 
window in this post-9/11 atmosphere, and we gave away a lot.
  Yes, we talked about numbers of dozens of examples of times when our 
government has used this and abused it. But that is only the beginning. 
It is the principle. If they had only done it once, if they had not 
done it, this should still be taken care of, because as time goes on, 
and if we adapt to this process, it will be used more and more, and 
that is throwing away a big and important chunk of our Constitution, 
the fourth amendment.
  Not only should we do whatever we can to reform that legislation, but 
we already know that there is a PATRIOT Act No. 2. It has not been 
given to us, the Congress; but the administration has it for the 
future. It is available, but we have only gotten to see it from the 
Internet.
  In that bill there is a proposal that the government can strip us of 
our citizenship, and then anybody then stripped of their citizenship 
could be put into the situation that many foreigners find themselves in 
at Guantanamo before the military tribunals.
  I see this as a very, very important issue, if anybody cares about 
liberty, if anybody cares about personal freedom and the rule of law 
and the need for probable cause before our government comes barging 
into our houses. It has been under the guise of drug laws that have in 
the past instituted many of these abuses, but this is much worse. This 
has been put into an explicit piece of legislation, and the American 
people and this Congress ought to become very alert to this and realize 
how serious the PATRIOT Act is.
  I hope that the Congress and our colleagues here will support this 
amendment. It is very necessary, and it will be voting for the 
Constitution; and it will be voting for liberty if we support this 
amendment.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of 
words.
  Mr. Chairman, I want to congratulate the gentleman from Texas (Mr. 
Paul) who just spoke. It is a cliche in this House that almost no 
speeches change people's minds, but I think this speech is one occasion 
when it has certainly changed mine, and I want to thank the gentleman 
for that.
  Originally, when I first heard the amendment offered, I thought, 
well, this is not the right place for this, and it is not; and I 
thought there may be ramifications to this that we do not understand, 
and there probably are. But I have full confidence in the ability of 
the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Wolf) and the gentleman from New York 
(Mr. Serrano) to see to it that that is fixed in conference if this 
amendment is adopted.
  The reason I have changed my mind listening to the gentleman from 
Texas and the reason I intend to support this amendment is because of 
the history of the PATRIOT Act.

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  When the first act was brought to this House floor, I voted 
"present" because this House had no idea what was in it. We were 
asked to vote blind. And as a protest to doing that, even in the heat 
of 9-11, I voted "present" to signify that I did not feel that I knew 
enough about the contents of that bill to vote for it.
  When it came back from conference, I very reluctantly voted "yes," 
because I thought there were some things in it that, because of what I 
had learned in classified briefings, we needed to face. Things like 
being able to go after multiple telephones rather than just being able 
to target one telephone number of a suspected terrorist, for instance. 
So I assumed that given the unifying approach that the administration 
at that point had been taking after 9-11, I assumed the Justice 
Department would exercise those authorities with restraint. I was 
wrong.
  I believe this Attorney General has far overreached legitimate 
boundaries. I often disagree with The Washington Post, but I have to 
congratulate their constant drumbeat of editorials in support of 
preserving the values of the Constitution that protect individual 
freedom and privacy. And when I see the Justice Department overreach, 
as it has, and when I see them assert the claim that they have a right 
to lock up anybody they want without any kind of court review 
whatsoever, I am appalled and chagrined and horrified.
  So in my view, anything that can be done to push the Justice 
Department back a little bit closer to the Constitution, anything that 
can be done to reinforce Congress's determination to give PATRIOT II a 
far tougher scrutiny than it gave PATRIOT I, I am willing to do.
  So I congratulate the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Paul), because my 
first reaction was that we did not know enough about the effect of this 
amendment to adopt the amendment. But upon reflection, after hearing 
the gentleman, I conclude that we know far too much about how PATRIOT I 
has been used not to adopt this amendment. As I say, the gentleman from 
Virginia is correct, that there may be problems with this; but I really 
think we have the capacity to fix those problems in conference if there 
are problems.
  Mr. Chairman, I want the Justice Department to have to come to us and 
assure us that the way they are enforcing the law that we have given 
them the authority to enforce is the correct way. I do not want us to 
have to go hat in hand to the Justice Department asking them to defend 
the Constitution.
  So I would at this point simply say I think the gentleman is right. 
We ought to adopt this amendment if for no other reason than to send a 
message to the Justice Department that we want respect for law 
demonstrated by the Justice Department as well as average citizens of 
this country.
  I thank the gentleman for his speech, and I thank the gentleman for 
offering the amendment.
  Mr. SANDERS. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of 
words.
  Mr. Chairman, I find myself feeling good that once today I can agree 
with the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey), and that is that the 
gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter) has brought forth a very important 
amendment which is addressing an issue that I believe millions of 
Americans from very different political perspectives, whether they are 
conservatives, like the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter), or 
progressives like myself, or people in between, are demanding a tough 
examination of, and that is the U.S.A. PATRIOT Act.
  Everybody in our country knows that on 9-11, 2001, a dastardly attack 
took place against our country and 3,000 innocent people were killed. 
And every Member of this Chamber pledges to do everything that we can 
to protect the American people from other acts of terrorism and to do 
everything that we can to wipe out terrorism throughout the world.
  But what some of us very strongly believe is that we should not be 
undermining basic American constitutional rights in the fight against 
terrorism. We have strong law enforcement capabilities in this country 
to fight terrorism, and we have to support our law enforcement 
officials to do that. But we can fight terrorism without denying the 
American people their basic constitutional rights, and that is the 
point that I think the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter) is making 
today.
  As my colleagues know, I am very disappointed on a similar issue, 
section 215, which deals with the FBI going into libraries and book 
stores all over this country with virtually no probable cause. That 
issue is not being debated. But I applaud my friend from Idaho for 
demanding that this body begin, just begin to take a hard look at the 
U.S.A. PATRIOT Act, which passed so swiftly through this body where I 
think many honest Members will acknowledge that they really did not 
have the time to look at all aspects of that legislation.
  So I rise in strong support of the Otter amendment, and I hope that 
it carries.
  Mr. TANCREDO. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of 
words.
  Mr. Chairman, there is a lot of discussion as to whether or not this 
is an appropriate time or the appropriate place to debate this issue. 
Certainly there will be more debate to come. But this is as good a time 
as any, and as good a place as any, because it is a good amendment that 
definitely needs to be heard.
  Mr. Chairman, I yield to the gentleman from Idaho.
  Mr. OTTER. Mr. Chairman, I thank those who have engaged in the 
debate, whether one is for or against this amendment.
  But there is one thing I must notice and bring to everybody's 
attention, Mr. Chairman, and that is that pound for pound, we have 
debated this amendment longer than we debated the PATRIOT Act. We 
passed the PATRIOT Act in 45 days. The smoke was still coming up out of 
the rubble in New York City and at the Pentagon, and who could not be 
torn by still hearing the cries and the pain of the victims and the 
families of those victims.
  But now we have an opportunity to reflect back on what have we done. 
I have to tell my colleagues that the comments that have been made 
relative to, is this the proper time or is this the proper place, I am 
just so thankful that our Founding Fathers did not sit around and say 
that. It was the time. It was the place. And that is the legacy that 
they gave us; and that legacy demands that whenever the opportunity 
arises, we have an obligation to stand and to stand firm to make sure 
that the liberties of the American people are foremost. There is only 
one purpose for government, one purpose for government, and that is to 
defend us in the peaceful exercise of our liberties.
  So I am hoping, once again, as my friend, the gentleman from Vermont 
(Mr. Sanders), said, that this will be the first in the piece-by-piece 
taking back the freedoms and the liberties that we have, while leaving 
some of the PATRIOT Act in place. The proper role of government, the 
proper role of government is to defend us in the free and peaceful 
exercise of our liberties and in our homes, and not to take those away 
from us.
  So I pray, I hope that today we begin that process, and I invite the 
gentleman from Wisconsin and all others who will want to participate in 
that to join me.
  Mr. FEENEY. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of 
words.
  Mr. Chairman, first, I want to rise to express a lot of empathy and 
sympathy with the concerns expressed on the Otter amendment. I think 
that they are very legitimate questions. I think some of the concerns 
about the rapidity with which the PATRIOT I Act was passed in the 
aftermath of a huge American historic tragedy are legitimate concerns. 
But the rapidity with which we are passing this amendment in some ways 
reflects the problems that some of the proponents of the amendment are 
suggesting the original PATRIOT Act is guilty of.
  I will tell my colleagues that it is important to have deliberation 
and thoughtfulness as we go through the process of striking a new 
balance. I think all of us will recognize that the last time the 
mainland of the United States was attacked by a foreign power before 
September 11 was in 1812. All of us here are civil libertarians, but 
defining the balance between order and liberty is a constant struggle 
with new technologies, with new challenges.

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When was the last time that we as Americans before September 11 
literally thought about the terror of a potential biological, chemical, 
nuclear attack from a foreign power? This is a whole new set of 
balancing that we have to do within the great framework that the 
founders provided us in the Constitution. And I agree with the 
gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter) and the proponents of this amendment 
that we need to have careful and thoughtful reflection, and we need to 
be constantly dealing with balancing these new issues.
  But I do believe that the best place to do that is through the 
subcommittee process, in committees like the Committee on the 
Judiciary, which I serve on. We hear expert testimony from civil 
libertarians and law professors, from prosecutors and defense 
attorneys, from people throughout the country who have expertise in 
advising us, as the body that represents the people of the United 
States in a democratic fashion, but also in a fashion that respects the 
constitutional framework.
  I personally am a huge civil libertarian, and there is much in the 
suggestion that the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter) and the proponents 
have of this amendment with which I hugely sympathize. But I will tell 
my colleagues this: in a new day when all of our children and all of 
our grandchildren are constantly under threat of biological, chemical, 
or nuclear terror, which was not true, 10, 15, 20, 30 years ago, the 
time for us has come to move into the 21st century in terms of 
preparing the defense of the homeland. That is why we created an Office 
of Homeland Security.
  Now, let me address the merits of the amendment itself, because with 
all due respect, there is some suggestion that the PATRIOT Act 
radically changed the process of delayed notification. The question is 
when a subpoena is issued, are there times when actual prior 
notification to the recipient of the subpoena can be waived; and the 
answer is, it has always been true, or at least far before September 
11, that in most circuits in the United States, Federal courts have 
allowed the delayed notification. But several things are required.
  Number one, one would think from listening to some of the debate that 
any prosecutor or any sheriff or any law enforcement agent or any FBI 
agent could go in and subpoena records and tell people only after the 
fact that their records had been confiscated and reviewed by the 
government. That is a scary thought, but it is simply not accurate. The 
truth of the matter is that in all events, 213 requires that a judge 
make a decision. The authority is based on a court order and a court 
order alone. So a judge is going to review all of the potential 
evidence in the case to determine whether or not the delayed 
notification is warranted.
  I want the people to understand throughout America when courts are in 
power, and the only time they are in power to approve delayed 
notification, courts can delay notice only when immediate notification, 
in other words, prior notification, might result in the death or 
physical harm of an individual.
  Imagine the events leading up to September 11 and the intelligence we 
now know, if we had been better prepared to put it together, assimilate 
it, understand what it meant. Courts can only delay notification if the 
death or physical harm of an individual is impacted, or when there is 
flight from prosecution; and we had some 19 terrorists floating around 
America that we now know organized the September 11 events; evidence 
tampering, or witness intimidation.
  Mr. Chairman, I would suggest that the Otter amendment raises 
concerns that I share, and those concerns are that we have to balance 
in a new technological world, in a world of new threats, liberty and 
order and security and homeland security. I would suggest that the 
issues raised here are appropriate to debate. We will be debating them 
for years, dare I say decades; but I do not think the place to debate 
them is in the appropriation bill of the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. 
Wolf).
  The CHAIRMAN pro tempore (Mr. LaTourette). The question is on the 
amendment offered by the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter).
  The question was taken; and the Chairman pro tempore announced that 
the noes appeared to have it.
  Mr. OTTER. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
  The CHAIRMAN pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 6 of rule XVIII, further 
proceedings on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. 
Otter) will be postponed.

[...]

                     Amendment Offered by Mr. Otter

  The CHAIRMAN. The pending business is the demand for a recorded vote 
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter) on 
which further proceedings were postponed and on which the noes 
prevailed by voice vote.
  The Clerk will redesignate the amendment.
  The Clerk redesignated the amendment.


                             Recorded Vote

  The CHAIRMAN. A recorded vote has been demanded.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The CHAIRMAN. This will be a 5-minute vote.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 309, 
noes 118, not voting 7, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 408]

                               AYES--309

     Ackerman
     Akin
     Alexander
     Allen
     Andrews
     Baca
     Bachus
     Baird
     Baker
     Baldwin
     Ballance
     Barrett (SC)
     Bartlett (MD)
     Barton (TX)
     Becerra
     Bell
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Berry
     Biggert
     Bilirakis
     Bishop (GA)
     Bishop (NY)
     Bishop (UT)
     Blumenauer
     Blunt
     Boehner
     Bonner
     Bono
     Boozman
     Boswell
     Boucher
     Boyd
     Brady (PA)
     Brown (OH)
     Brown, Corrine
     Burgess
     Burns
     Burr
     Calvert
     Capps
     Capuano
     Cardin
     Cardoza
     Carson (IN)
     Carson (OK)
     Case
     Castle
     Clay
     Clyburn
     Cole
     Cooper
     Costello
     Cramer
     Crane
     Crenshaw
     Crowley
     Cubin
     Culberson
     Cummings
     Davis (AL)
     Davis (CA)
     Davis (FL)
     Davis (IL)
     Davis, Jo Ann
     Davis, Tom
     DeFazio
     DeGette
     Delahunt
     DeLauro
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Doggett
     Dooley (CA)
     Doyle
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Edwards
     Ehlers
     Emanuel
     Emerson
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     Woolsey
     Wu
     Wynn
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)

                               NOES--118

     Abercrombie
     Aderholt
     Ballenger
     Bass
     Beauprez
     Blackburn
     Boehlert
     Bonilla
     Bradley (NH)
     Brady (TX)
     Brown (SC)
     Brown-Waite, Ginny
     Burton (IN)
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     Camp
     Cannon
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     Carter
     Chabot
     Chocola
     Coble
     Collins
     Cox
     Cunningham
     Deal (GA)
     DeLay
     DeMint
     Diaz-Balart, L.
     Diaz-Balart, M.
     Doolittle
     Dreier
     Feeney
     Fossella
     Frelinghuysen
     Gallegly
     Garrett (NJ)
     Gerlach
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gingrey
     Goode
     Goodlatte
     Goss
     Granger
     Graves
     Green (TX)
     Green (WI)
     Greenwood
     Harman
     Hart
     Hayes
     Herger
     Hoekstra
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hulshof
     Hunter
     Hyde
     Isakson
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Keller
     Kelly
     Kennedy (MN)
     King (NY)
     Kline
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     Lewis (CA)
     LoBiondo
     McInnis
     McKeon
     Miller (MI)
     Miller (NC)
     Miller, Gary
     Murphy
     Northup
     Norwood
     Nunes
     Oxley
     Pearce
     Pence
     Pitts
     Platts
     Quinn
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Renzi
     Reynolds
     Rogers (KY)
     Rogers (MI)
     Royce
     Ryan (WI)
     Ryun (KS)
     Saxton
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     Sessions
     Shadegg
     Shays
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     Simmons
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (TX)
     Souder
     Sweeney
     Tauzin
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Turner (OH)
     Upton
     Vitter
     Walsh
     Weller
     Wilson (NM)
     Wolf

                             NOT VOTING--7

     Berkley
     Conyers
     Davis (TN)
     Ferguson
     Ford
     Gephardt
     Meek (FL)


                      Announcement by the Chairman

  The CHAIRMAN (during the vote). Members are advised there are 2 
minutes remaining in this vote.

                              {time}  1942

  Mr. FOSSELLA changed his vote from "aye" to "no."

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  Mr. BLUMENAUER changed his vote from "no" to "aye."
  So the amendment was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.

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